This communique is not for the white trolls who lurk in the social media shadows, throwing racist, anonymous potshots, or the white people who’ve been publicly expressing that African Americans are savages who deserve to be shot down in the streets.

This column is for white people who are genuinely bewildered as to why people have been in the streets for 100-plus days in Ferguson and around the globe since Mike Brown’s death. This is for whites who are desperately trying to figure out how they can fit into the transformational shift for racial justice that is now being recalibrated. 

Race has been made complicated, but it’s a sociological construct, designed by the white ruling elite generations ago for the main purpose of exploitation and control. Your racial isolation has been intentionally choreographed to minimize racial understanding that could lead to multi-racial unity.

You have been fed an unhealthy diet of white supremacy that requires you to embrace the belief that all non-white peoples are inferior—the darker the being, the more subhuman they are. Such a belief system is inherently problematic and unsustainable for peaceful coexistence. You have been manipulated over the centuries.

If it’s any consolation, you are not alone. Non-whites have been twisted into self-hatred and manipulated into pursuing a path of whiteness, a perverted journey whose destination one can never reach. Yes, we’ve all been put in a trick bag. Let’s acknowledge this and move on to

the real challenge of building the kind of society where all potential is fully developed and all life is valued.

You need to know that your interaction with law enforcement can be dramatically different from that of black and brown people. For us, the distrust of police has a long and brutal history. Accept the preponderance of evidence of this fact or you can Google “police brutality videos.” This is our reality: any black person could be Mike Brown.

In a recent article by Isabel Wilkerson, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author states the current “rate of police killings of black Americans is nearly the same as the rate of lynchings in the early decades of the 20th century.” Wilkerson points to FBI data (undercounted) that show

a black person is killed by a police every three or four days in the U.S. Because I’m black, this means I’m five times more likely to be killed by police than my white counterpart.

A report by the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) a couple of

years ago took this phenomenon a step further. According to the report on extrajudicial killings, every 36 hours a black person is “executed” by police, security guards or vigilantes.

Both Wilkerson and the MXGM report underscore that people of African descent can be killed without due process, that a white person can

Be both judge and jury and their deadly actions are almost always justified. In order to make this justification stick, all black people must be criminalized and their deaths blamed on their own actions.  Black people have a serious problem with this broad racial calculation, i.e. if you’re black, you’re dangerous and thereby a threat.

The loss of a child brings unspeakable grief for any family, but it just keeps on happening. The latest is the unwarranted shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, whose toy gun obviously made him a target of overzealous Cleveland police. We cannot stomach yet another cop killing of a black child with no accountability. The weight of the human carnage is too much to bear.

It is these incessant acts of terror by police in our communities over decades and without impunity that has ignited a spontaneous outrage in black people and justice-seeking allies. The righteous outrage is rooted in our countless, negative encounters with law enforcement and

The courts. That is why you see millions across the nation responding to the refusal of St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch to indict Darren Wilson for the murder of Mike Brown. Over 170 U.S. cities hosted a variety of actions, from shutting down a highway in Washington, D.C. to St. Louis Rams players doing a hands-up-don’t-shoot gesture before the game.

So, you need to understand the source of our legitimate outrage – the

unabated humiliation, assaults and murders of black humanity with little or no accountability or impunity. And while we demand justice for Mike Brown’s family, the issue of police violence transcends this single family and the City of Ferguson.

Police violence and corruption is a national problem, and that’s why the reactions quickly went national. The entire system is guilty and must be reformed, transformed. You must acknowledge this in order to be an active part of its transformation.

Lastly, understand that black families want the same things that white

families want – good health, happiness and success. We want a good education for our children and employment opportunities that bring them dignity and decent wages. We expect our civil and human rights will be fully protected.

Ferguson and St. Louis city and county are now synonymous with corruption and incompetence. It is painfully clear that we cannot depend on elected and civic officials for leadership or to ensure

justice. They have been silent in providing vision and long-term solutions.

I encourage you to join the legions of humanity in the region who will be working to say no more business as usual. Join in this movement to challenge racism in the streets, in police departments and in the courts. The social justice movement is as much about changing hearts and minds as it is changing laws and policies.

We who believe in freedom cannot rest. If we work together in a respectful and disciplined way, a new Ferguson is possible.

Visit my blog at jamalarogers.com.

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REALIST

What a total disgrace!!!!!!! After all these months off demanding better government and more Black representation in Ferguson government and destroying the city because the residents are unhappy with how the city is ran. And this is what we get.

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) – Ferguson’s first municipal election since a fatal police shooting sparked months of protests has drawn relatively little interest from prospective candidates as the filing deadline approaches.

Three of the St. Louis suburb’s six City Council seats are up for election on April 7 and none of the three incumbents plans to seek re-election.

Ferguson Mayor James Knowles says two of those council members decided not to run again well before 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot to death by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson in August.

Hours before Tuesday afternoon’s filing deadline, there was only one declared candidate for two of the three open seats. Former Ferguson Mayor Brian Fletcher, who helped launch an ‘‘I Love Ferguson” campaign to bolster the city’s image after the shooting, is among those running.

REALIST

Anonymous999,

I do see the problem that you and OGEL are saying. It is so hard to find a real working solution. When I look back on history I see the plight of the African-Americans from being sold from their home land as slaves to the current situation. That is not many generations if you look and the history of the wolrd. To me I think what happened is that when Lincoln freed the slaves that was wonderful. Then there was a huge void on real growth for the Blacks in America. They were free but had no voice. Then in the 20th century voices were heard and changes were mad. Then again there is a void.

This current period we are in is two stages. The first is directly post Dr. King era and the second era is dating from late "70's to the present. I want to talk about the second. This is coming from a broad sprectum of Whites point of view from approximately age 55 and younger.

We have been taught about Dr. King and the Civil rights era. And we get it. Very very needed. Great progress and even after the initial movement their were plenty of government assistance programs, etc created to help the Blacks progress rapidly. What we see is that progress just didnt happen. We have that deep inner feeling that, "here you go you have it all laid out, now do it" mentality. We dont see the progress. We see things going backwards. So we question based on what I was saying in my previous post with you. Whites my age have a lead, follow or get out of my way point of view. And take responsibilty for yourself.

Your question of how to fix the problem. I do not know. I feel that it also goes back to my previous comments. But after speaking you im going to add another. AMBITION.

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION, MORAL VALUES and AMBITION

ogel

REALIST,

You stated "I see that we are beginning to come together via the other posts,"-----
Not by a long shot.

You insist on refusing to accept or admit to the fact that gross disparities that are attributable to institutionalized racism exists throughout this nation. We can only begin to "come together," if you first acknowledge this truth. Your persistent denial of this truth, will in no way diminishes it.

According to a report titled "Where We Stand--- the Strategic Assessment of the St. Louis Region, published by the East-West Gateway Council of Governments, the authoritative source for the region, "St. Louis city tends to have a wider gap between whites and blacks than many of the peer regions on a range of social, economic and health indicators."

http://www.ewgateway.org/wws/wws.htm

Read and acknowledge this factual information and we can then engage in honest debate.
.

REALIST

Ogel,

I see that we are beginning to come together via the other posts. Dialoge is good.
Bouncing opinion and thoughts are good. Hopefully others are reading.

ogel

It amazes me that some will tie a man's feet together and then complain because he walks with a limp.

Some will deny a man medical coverage, and then complains because he gets sick.

Some will refuse to pay a man sufficient wages to provide for his family, then insist his children are inferior because they lack the resources to attend better schools.

Some will over price healthy after school recreational facilities that enable children to develop social schools and resolve conflicts, so they cannot attend, yet complain bitterly when they fail to act in positive and constructive manners. The see no connection in their children having had the opportunity to take classes in karate oo1, 002, boating 101, 102, ballet 000, 001, dancing, tightrope walking, etc. and on and on.

This little column doesn't provide the space for me to write a book.........................

ogel

Realist,

Here is a sad reality.

"Economic insecurity strangles the physical and cultural growth of its victims. Not only are millions deprived of formal education and proper health facilities but our most fundamental social unit --the family-- is tortured, corrupted, and weakened by economic insufficiency. When a Negro man is inadequately paid, his wife must work to provide the simple necessities for the children. When a mother has to work she does violence to motherhood by depriving her children of her loving guidance and protection; often they are poorly cared for by others or by none--left to roam the streets unsupervised. It is not the Negro alone who is wronged by a disrupted society; many white families are in similar straits. The Negro mother leaves home to care for --and be a substitute mother for ---white children, while the white mother works. In this strange irony lies the promise of future correction.

Both Negro and white workers are equally oppressed. For both, the living standards need to be raised to levels consistent with our national resources. Not logic but a hollow distinction has separated the races. The economically depressed accepts his poverty by telling himself that, if in no other respect, at least socially he is above the Negro. For this empty pride in a racial myth he has paid the crushing price of insecurity, hunger, ignorance, and hopelessness for himself and his children."

________Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., (New Testament of Hope, 476-477)

REALIST

I totally agree with your peace message. But the streets are littered with criminals. These criminals scare away people, cash flow and quality business. Is this not a complaint of the neighborhoods about the economic situation. Which snow balls into other problems. We need atleast two generations back to back of parents being parents. You dont have to wealthy or middle class to teach your kids right from wrong. Teaching kids right from is the cornerstone to bring peace.

ogel

Realist,

Since you indicated that you are in the corporate world, in parting I would like to use a quote found on an old print dated 1953, attributed to one of the most successful businessmen in the world, John C. Whitaker. Mr. Whitaker was the Chairman of the Board of R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. During his address a the 21st Annual Convention of the National Association of Tobacco Distributors, in Atlantic City, he ended his speech and I quote him as follows."

-------"It's what each of us sows that counts----seeds of goodwill, kindness, human understanding. We are all sowers of seeds and let us never forget it.

Let's change the motto, 'Live and Let Live' to 'Live and Help to Live.' Het us put people first in our plans.

I would like to sum up all I have said in the language of an old Negro in the plant back home. I asked him how he kept in such a happy state of mind and he replied, 'I do unto others as though I was the others.'

Thank you."


REALIST

No ma'am Im just an average guy that sees our world becoming smaller and more troublesome. Hoping that I can instill in my children HOME,FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES so they can live in peace and comfort. Best of luck in your writings. Nope, not paper owner. Im enslaved to the corperate world of having to report to the owners of a company.

You are a determined person and a scholar. It is good to share view points. Thank you. Dont give up. Eyes wide open.

ogel

Realist:

I answered the question you raised. Your comment is entirely irrelevant to my answer. Perhaps you are employed by this paper and simply want to engage me, but my time is valuable. I am writing a book.

Your refusal to accept the fact that there are systemic disparities existent in this nation and insisting that the solution is simply HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES, is tantamount to telling a competitor in a 100 yard dash that he should be able to make it to the finish line despite being placed at the very end of the widest part of the tract, and failing to realize that his distance is far greater than his competitors who have been placed in closer lanes and given shorter lengths.

I do llke you Realist, and easily recognize that you are an intelligent and perhaps professional individual who simply wants to promote or expand readership for your paper. That is understandable, but I have to limit the time I spend responding to you. Perhaps you might be interested in my book when it is completed.

Ogel

REALIST

If that makes you feel better then keep dodging and hiding from the truth. Keep allowing crime in the Black communities. But I dont want to here there are no job opportunities. Who would want to open a business where the probability of getting robbed or other violent crimes are committed. Plus the loss of badly needed tax base. Thats no one holding any one down other than local residents not controlling their youth. That is where the CHANGE needs to take place. And these same people dont want a police presence. Priorities are just so far out of whack. I see no hope until...........

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES

ogel

Realist:

The answer to your question is very simple. Men who fail to accept that all men are created equal and believe themselves to be superior, and men who believe they can categorize other men based solely on their race or skin color, and as a result persist in perpetuating injustices against them, are the greatest threat not only to our society but to the world.

REALIST

Ogel,

Who is the greatest threat to our society at this given moment?

a) 15-30 year old Asian-American men.
b) 15-30 year old African-American men.
c) 15-30 year old Europern-American men.
d) 16-30 year old Middle Eastern-American men.

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES

REALIST

Ogel,

Im I right or am I wrong? Perhaps with a minor shade of gray. [innocent]

REALIST

Ogel,

The bottom line is it comes down to attitude. All levels of attitude with the Black community. Everyone knows that. but few want to address it. And it clearly shows with the product that we see every day with all the crime.

What is missing? HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES.

My generation and the ones under mine are not going to bend on these knuckle head protestors being rude and ignorant. Every opportunity is out there for these generations now and to come to succeed. A lazy poor attitude person will never get any where in life. No matter what the race.

The older mature Black community needs to step in and work with these younger kids and guide them. Im sure Dr. King would not be pleased at what is going on now.

REALIST

Ogel,

When I was in 8th grade I saw desegragation in St. Louis County. When I was in the Army I got passed up for promotion to an under qualified candidate due to Affirmative Action. When I was in my 30's I missed a business opportunity to Affimative Action bank loaning. Now in my 40's and sending my kids to college I have to pay more than my Black peers do for their kids. I cant wait to see what will come in my 50's. This is 30 plus years of this happening. Im tired of the complaining from folks like you that non-whites get treated unfairly.

I am for fairness and being justifiably qualified. Not simply because of trying to appease people. I have earned what is mine. Not handed to me because I complain. I wake up every day at 5:30 am, at work at 6:30 am get off work at 5:00 pm and home by 5:45. Along with that I work every other saturday.

ogel

REALIST

It is in your best interest for me to give you a second opportunity to read my post, but this time for comprehension purposes. Once I realize that you have clearly understood my statement and that it is not "living in the past" because the majority of those items I listed as being examples of systemic oppression still exist. They may be titled something else, but those forces persist. When you stop your empty rhetoric, I will respond. However, I insist on stating, once again, that you continue to reflect the typical mindset of non blacks who refuse to accept or acknowledge that institutional oppression is a reality for many non whites living in
America!

REALIST

I think the complaining Black Americans should be asking the Black Americans who have moved away and are in the middle class how the got to where they are.

I believe they would say they stayed in school. Had parents that controlled them as children and taught them to respect the law and society. They work and dont make excuses.

REALIST

Ogel,

Stop living in the past.

Desegregation 1982 in St. Louis.

Affirmative Action.

A Black can succeed if they want to put forth the effort.

I can go on and on to counter your old ammended laws.

Again I say ask the teachers what they are hearing and seeing. Guess what you would hear what is missing in the Black communities.

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES

Who would want to hire a drop out with a criminal record or give a loan to that person. Common sense has to play in some where.

ogel

To Realist:


After reading your repetitive but simplistic statement that "home, family and values,

etc.," is the overall solution to the problems facing African Americans, I felt

strongly compelled to respond. Your comments may represent your sincere

beliefs, but they reflect the typical mindset of non blacks who refuse to accept or

acknowledge that institutional oppression is a reality for many non whites living in

America!

Institutional oppression results when established laws, customs, and practices

systematically reflect and produce inequities based on one's membership in

targeted

social identity groups. It creates a system of INVISIBLE barriers limiting people

based on their membership in unfavored social identity groups, and those barriers

are INVISIBLE to those who are seemingly unaffected by them. (Adapted

from “Institutional Oppression,” Tools for Diversity, copyright by TACS.)

If all things were in fact equal and institutional oppression did not exist, why you

say might be true. Unfortunately, that is not the reality in America.

ogel

EXAMPLES OF SYSTEM OPPRESSION


Immigration Act of 1970 – limited naturalized citizenship to free white men. Effective until 1952.

Jim Crow laws – mandated segregation of schools and all public accommodations, i.e. water fountains and toilets, etc.

Beginning 20th Century - began a national movement of a system of race based
zoning laws. After passage of the 14th amendment they were sanctioned by the
U.S. Supreme Court.

Social Security Act of 1935 – modified to exclude 70 to 80% of black workers in the south.

To date: Persistent discrimination by private lenders and developers, a major factor in the recent subprime mortgage crisis.

To date: Persistent range of negative and race based impacts resulting from housing discrimination, i.e. education, and employment and etc. Property taxes have been the primary source of funding for schools, and it goes without saying that the result has often been inequitable funding.

This list is not all inclusive, and I wish to attribute, in part, as a source of information: (http://raciststates.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/does-racial–impact-imply-racist-intent/).

REALIST

Ogel,

From what I am hearing is the Whites are done giving when it comes to more monotary aid and freebies and will not bend on any issue until. Blacks can clean up the under educated, living on government type people.

Do that, folks get jobs and that rids crime. Then no more heavy police tactics on the criminals.

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION AND MORAL VALUES

REALIST

Ogel

I just feel that the big picture continues to be dodged and stepped around because it brings light on the situation that no one wants to address. Until what I continue to mention is not fully addressed then there will be no constructive progress.

Too pick one issue when there are so many others to fix that will most likely fix itself if the other real issues are taken care of in the community is blind.

You can have the best quarterback in the world but if the rest of the team stinks, is that team going to win?

ogel

Realist,

I intend to comment regarding the "factual points you continue to raise," but felt them to be unrelated to those specific incidents involving the use of fatal force. The response is not one that can be spoken on a whim.

REALIST

glad to see you back, Ogel.

REALIST

Yes we see the protestors of all creeds. Also know there are tons more that disagree with the protestors by far way more.

Dr. King is my only real hero of the 20th century. He is up there with Abe Lincoln, Ben Franklin, and Oliver Cromwell.

How would he fee about the factual points I continue to raise with you but you continue to ignore.

ogel

To Realist:

The choke hold death was more than "wrong." It was not only inhumane, it was murder.

The 12 year old boy was murdered. When the dispatcher described the gun holder as a "black male," his execution was pre-determined. The police officers deliberately positioned themselves in harms way so as to justify the taking of a life that did not have to be taken. Given that there were no other people present whose lives were in imminent danger, there were other options available to police officers who have been trained effectively to "protect and to serve."

One example that first comes to mind was the apprehension of the Colorado movie theater shooter who allegedly unloaded four weapons' full of ammunition into the unsuspecting crowd of a sold out theater. He was apprehended by police officers at his vehicle.

You would be correct in stating that we will never be able to bring Michael Brown back, but you along with countless others with your mindsets are dead wrong in your assumption that the "Brown case will always be open." Those who assume such fail to see that those protesting for justice are people of all colors from all walks of life who are representing countries from all over the world. Why? Because they know that truth, may be suppressed but is unconquerable and can never be changed. They are demanding that truth.

The relentless chant of the protesters has not been to "convict," rather to "indict."
They believe that justice in the Brown case mandates that the taking of his life by a member of a police force whose recent records reveal a longstanding system of the oppression of its poor, at a minimum provide for a fully transparent review of any and all evidence related to the taking of Brown's life.

Further, they believe that given the department's record of oppression, the loss of an individual's life coupled with what appeared to be callous disregard by his remains being left in the streets for over four hours, warrants at a minimum, that the decision as to whether or not there should be accountability is far too great to
be relegated to a group of randomly selected individuals who number less than a full jury, and decided based on their unqualified subjective opinions and interpretations void of any attempts to exclude those having prejudicial mindsets.

Realist, you must accept that we won't bring Michael Brown back but justice will prevail just as sure as you observe the relentless protests whose outcry is for a change in legislation that will mandate individual police officer accountability for the use of fatal force.

In quoting the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., in "A Testament of Hope," pages 100-101, "It is true that morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. The law may not change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless."

REALIST

killing the 12 year old was wrong. had to carify.

REALIST

OGEL,

Choke hold death was wrong.

12 year old by was wrong.

Brown will always be open.

I get them.

The real issues at the heart of the matter is what I have been saying. Until the Poor blacks work to improve their own lives and help their children succeed. And when I say succeed, I dont mean become a celebirty or an athlete. But stay in school and learn to obey the laws and society. I own guns, knives and hammers. Im not using them to kill people.

Its been 50 years with all kinds of government programs and assistance. what other minority group in America has been given so much but yet still cant succeed. It is time to grow up. Whites are tired and done with the hand outs.
I have black friends and they dont act crazy and say whoa is me. Their parents struggled like mine to keep me in school and teach us the right way to behave.

I attended school at the MET Center in Wellston. I worked at United Rentals off of Bircher. I know what I am talking about. I listen to the Urban News channel on XM radio.

The only thing holding down the large portion of Blacks are their attitudes. Stop dwelling on the past. That holds you down. Excuses are for the lazy.

I dont tolerate lazy with any group of people. Much like crime and bad attitudes.

herenow

REALIST,

Cuz your sense of humor, your HIDDEN jokes, lend me to think you are all kinds of self righteous and clueless.

Shooting suspects with in seconds due to fear is a behavior. It's a pattern of behavior even. No HIDDEN joke there.

Unless you plan on hanging out around a bonfire with a sheet on.

herenow

REALIST, Is your real name Bill. And do you love jello pudding pops?

REALIST

Ogel,

The hidden joke among white people is, the blacks are doing a good enough job killing themselves off. Who needs the KKK.

Another is, lets ship some more guns to them. And allow EBT cards to purchase guns.

For many years now.

REALIST

The police are always being trained and retrained on ethics, morals, character and civil matters. It is a constant adjustment for them. Put yourself in their shoes. Look at what is going on every day in certain neighborhoods.

ogel

To Realist,

Perhaps you need to read my last post again. There was no blame.

REALIST

Ogel,

Did you check the score board today. More Black murder and not by any cops again. That is now 146 in St. Louis alone, so far. That is 4380 dead in the top 30 cities in America.

I think it is time to get off the blame game on the cops and nail the real problem.

ogel

In Response to Buttknocker: You stated below, "You need to know that your interaction with law enforcement can be dramatically different from that of black and brown people." It is disingenuous to insinuate that the difference in those interactions are based only on race, and fail to acknowledge that circumstances as well as behavior can also play a critical role. A big problem today is that people want to condemn all who wear the blue based on the actions of a few. There are many dedicated and hard working police officers who do not engage in police brutality and the public should not forget that. That fact underscores the critical need for individual officer accountability in order to isolate those cops who not only fuel hatred towards the entire force, but make their jobs far more treacherous.

(Edited by staff.)

Buttknocker

"You need to know that your interaction with law enforcement can be dramatically different from that of black and brown people" Well actually whites and hispanics are victims of police brutality at about the same rate as blacks. The difference is that a large percentage of black people have the "victim mentality," and they refuse to acknowledge that these atrocities are carried out by police of all races, and the victims are from all races. The other defining difference here is that, even though the numbers are comparable, the black population in the US is considerably smaller than the white population, so the percentage of blacks who are victims of police brutality is higher than that of whites. This doesn't mean that it's a system of racism, but rather a system of corruption in the government.

Desire

Your comment cannot be accepted due to the presence of profanity. Please remove any objectionable content from your comment and try again. I used no profanity what so ever!!! Must have been the word "GOD" they objected to~!~~

Pianki

Very well spoken Mrs. Rogers. The solutions are many but we must continue to work to change the "racial" make-up of the public works in Fergusons and others like them in North County municipalities whereas to reflect the populations they serve. Yes that includes police, fire, city hall, public works, and not forgetting the school districts. I see this as a major problem ... when have jobs not been. How many Michael Brown types are in numerous positions in the same departments where Darren Wilson hails from. We all know that answer. Lets keep our eyes on the economic concerns starting with public service employment. A plan of attrition similar to the city of St Louis would be great for starters. Matter of fact discussion are underway and others are welcome.

REALIST

Not at all. I figure since all of these news articles and opinions in this publication call every Euopean-American racist and claim racism is the cause of the poor, under educated, government subsidized minority within a minority, what the heck. If Blacks want to call me a racist SOB, that is their choice.

HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION and MORAL VALUES

Please hear what I have said. Denial is worst than any form of racism.

a white woman

Dear Ogel,

In her open letter entitled "Dear White People, Jamala Rogers states in her initial paragraphs that she isn't addressing those who take "racist, anonymous potshots," but she is speaking to white people who are "genuinely bewildered as to why people have been in the streets." I paraphrased that as "relatively reasonable" white people.

I am not able to determine the race or gender of those like yourself who choose not to reference it.

I have to tell you that your questions as to my motives do sound like they could be a critical -- I'm not sure -- I expect you'll get around to making your point pretty soon.

ogel

Dear Realist:

When I last checked, no other poster had posted anything remotely close to your comment of "Show us White racist SOB's, etc.." I ask you, are the other readers suppose to interpret that as some kind of self confession or what?

REALIST

Ms. Rogers says. "Lastly, understand that black families want the same things that white

families want – good health, happiness and success. We want a good education for our children and employment opportunities that bring them dignity and decent wages. We expect our civil and human rights will be fully protected."

I say then act like it, and simply do it. Enough complaining.

Im of tired of these generic terms being thrown around by these so called leaders of the Black community. I want to hear real solutions and not inuindo. I want to hear what the Black community is going to do to promote the basic principal of America.
HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION AND MORAL VALUES.

These 4 things are lost within the poor Black communities.

It takes real action not words. Show us White racist SOB's. It is time to put up or shut up. Otherwise it is "Satus Quo" more crime in the poor communities.

Clean it up!!!!!!!!!!

Oh look 6 more murders in St. Louis over the weekend. Where are the Black leaders????? Lets see 145 dead just in the City of St. Louis so far this year.

Now lets multiply 145 by the other 30 large cities in America. Grand total is 4350 this year alone.

We need solutions, not excuses.

HMMMM why are cops a little edgy? Could it be all the criminals running the streets? NAHHHHHHH, they just want to be racist.

I have the solutions.

1. We will shut down all the schools.
2. Eliminate the husband and wife marriage.
3. Stop teaching the teachings of Jesus Christ.
4. Distibute more tax money to promote being lazy.
5. No need for for police to uphold the law.

Isnt that just warm and fuzzy.

Is there any person out there that can dispute what I have to say?????

ogel

To "whitewoman," in response to your question to me below.

My question as to your reason to use "whitewoman" as the handle for your comments was genuine. After reading your response to me, I now want to know why you chose to ask if "I thought you sounded smug?" Your choice of the word "smug," raises another question, because I neither condemned or passed any judgment on any of your comments.

You further suggested that your comments were meant to be "an invitation to relatively reasonable white people, primarily to take part in a discussion that might end up shedding some light." Was there something about your comments, specifically, that would make white people know those comments were directed at them? What constitutes "reasonable white people," in your view? How would you define and discern which comments would be those "shedding some light?" How would you be able to determine the race of the respondent if they chose not to reference it?

ogel

First, I want to applaud Biosusan. Hers is one of the most heartfelt and seemingly honest and respectful posts I have read anywhere. Thanks Biosusan. We need more of you.

REALIST

I have the solutions.

1. We will shut down all the schools.
2. Eliminate the husband and wife marriage.
3. Stop teaching the teachings of Jesus Christ.
4. Distibute more tax money to promote being lazy.
5. No need for for police to uphold the law.

Isnt that just warm and fuzzy.

REALIST

Oh look 6 more murders in St. Louis over the weekend. Where are the Black leaders????? Lets see 145 dead just in the City of St. Louis so far this year.

Now lets multiply 145 by the other 30 large cities in America. Grand total is 4350 this year alone.

We need solutions, not excuses.

HMMMM why are cops a little edgy? Could it be all the criminals running the streets? NAHHHHHHH, they just want to be racist.

REALIST

Im of tired of these generic terms being thrown around by these so called leaders of the Black community. I want to hear real solutions and not inuindo. I want to hear what the Black community is going to do to promote the basic principal of America.
HOME, FAMILY, EDUCATION AND MORAL VALUES.

These 4 things are lost within the poor Black communities.

It takes real action not words. Show us White racist SOB's. It is time to put up or shut up. Otherwise it is "Satus Quo" more crime in the poor communities.

Clean it up!!!!!!!!!!

biosusan

These incidents of police brutality against black men are troubling to all people I know...black, white, latino, etc. Whites are not a monolith, with many ethnic backgrounds and . I'm troubled by your lumping all of us together as 'people who believe all non-white peoples are inferior' - this is unfair and untrue. While I have not had experience the police hassling, profiling, or being violent towards me, I am able to think and know this is wrong. Additionally, I have no idea what a 'pursuit of whiteness is'. I am white- I did not choose it or pursue it. It does provide benefits and a perception that many if not all black people do not get, but in no way is there a way to pursue it.

Your analysis is faulty and makes many assumptions that are wholly incorrect and hyperbolic. This does not mean that racism doesn't exist...it does and it is incredibly abhorrent that in this day in age, it still exists. I am always bothered and out right mad at the taunts by largely conservative and right wing people (radio personalities especially) towards the President. Because really what is at the heart of all the ridiculous criticism toward him is that he is black. They wrap their rhetoric in these looney and irrational theories and many of us see right through them.

I am sickened by these events. I do think the incident with Michael Brown is murky. Prior to the incident, he did rob the convenience store, he did act thuggish towards the man who operated the store and assaulted him, and accounts by several witnesses do corroborate that he approached the police vehicle and started an altercation. From that point accounts of the incident are wildly different. Shooting that young man was wholly disproportionate to the crime and probably motivated by the policeman's fear and an underlying perception of him as a black man.

But can I bring up my perception of this event without being called racist? I doubt it. Do I think that policeman was right? Absolutely not. Do I think having a largely white police force in a largely black neighborhood bodes well for the black citizens. No, no, and no.

Please know we all are not some gullible, racist bunch; we all are not sincerely empathic to these unfortunate situations. I get that black Americans were pushed to the edge with these events. I understand there are awful, white racist idiots out there Frankly, I am embarrassed by them. I want these issues with the police to be addressed and stopped.

a white woman

Dear Ogel,

Interesting that someone would think that -- are you referring to the "white" or the "woman" or both? I meant to convey that my comments represent the viewpoint of one white person. And, honestly, I expected to be challenged more than I have been. I understood this to be an invitation to relatively reasonable white people, primarily, to take part in a discussion that might end up shedding some light. Why --
do I sound smug to you?

ogel

Dear "whitewoman,"

Is there a particular reason why you comment using the handle "a whitewoman?" Are you believing that such a title adds more credibility or legitimacy to what you have to say? Are readers suppose to believe that your comments have more authority or represents a truth that should not be challenged? I'm curious to know.

Rededdew

I'm not ashamed to be white, I treat people the same way they treat me. The problem is people are lazy and not trying to fix problems till they get out of hand. This problem could have been fixed years ago by voting in city council people that could fix the problem. Council would make changes where needed and then there would not be any issues now. Nobody wants to step up and be proactive, just sit back and complain.

a white woman

Dear REALIST,

Home, family, education, morals, peace, love, tolerance and fairness. Easy to say, harder to practice, right? Especially when we're stressed, threatened, abused, disrespected, oppressed and even hated. That's when we're put to the test. Too bad we're not all like Gandhi and Martin Luther King, but unfortunately we're not.

There is no excuse for criminal behavior, which is what looting and arson are. And there is no excuse for battery, which is what hitting your wife is -- no matter how much she might provoke you. Yet I know men who actually blame her for their own loss of control! Can you imagine that?!

Dave4445

"Rogers", not "Gordon"

Dave4445

Great article but it puts me on the defensive a bit because I'm not sure exactly where Gordon is coming from. I'm only addressing my reaction in an attempt to be helpful.

"You have been fed an unhealthy diet of white supremacy that requires you to embrace the belief that all non-white peoples are inferior—the darker the being, the more subhuman they are."

I agree that I've been fed this unhealthy diet but I don't believe that all white people are incapable of seeing through it. I don't believe it requires me to embrace anything, I believe it requires me to question everything. We've been fed lies on many fronts.

I know that I will never know what it's like to be a racial minority in this country and I'm pretty sure I don't fully understand my white privilege but I don't believe that generalizations are ever accurate, it's more divisiveness. I believe that some of us do try to understand the shoes that others walk in as best we can.

The best way for me to relate to a racial minority is as a gay person. I have a prejudice that most people in the heterosexual majority harbor some level of prejudice, a feeling of superiority, even if it's subconscious. I have this belief because it's been shown to me over and over again throughout my life. Even displayed by my very accepting birth family and my close friends. I also believe that many heterosexual people are on my side and do their very best to accept LGBT people fully and equally, when a misconception is pointed out, they have the ability to consider my point of view, see themselves honestly and change their attitude. I also believe that things are changing for the better over time. People are learning and getting over this deep seated prejudice, the roots of which can be traced back over millennia.

I see the same with white people. Many of us do our best and continue to understand more deeply over time, even though we may never fully understand. When an article is telling me that I believe something just because I'm part of the white majority, I feel shut out. Maybe that's OK, maybe I just need to listen sometimes. Like I said, I'm not entirely sure where Rogers is coming from, maybe she's only speaking to whites who are 'bewildered' by the protests.

I believe that many of us support the protests for a number of reason. I don't hesitate to support the demands of the protests, the use of cameras and the demilitarization of the police force. It's clear to me that we're all at risk and we'll be safer if these demands are met. Statistics show clearly that African Americans are at a much greater risk, I'm glad to see people hitting the streets and demanding change.

REALIST

Do you live in America? Do you watch and read the news? Do you study and watch trends? There have been 138 homicides in St. Louis alone this year, so far. Thats right take a guess. That is in every city in America. Not many white folk on the list of dead or perpurtrators. You can choose to live in the past and stay in the rut, or address the root of the problem and keep moving forward.

Home, Family, Education and Civil morals.

Amen

a white woman

So, REALIST, are you saying that white people used to be bad, but we aren't any more? I mentioned slavery and genocide as some of the examples of white people's worst violence. I forgot to mention that a very high percentage of mass murderers are white, for some reason. And I don't know about Ferguson, but there is Klan where I live, as well as other well-armed hate groups -- I don't know what they call themselves. What was trying to support was the idea that white people are not inherently less violent than any other race of people.


REALIST

Carmen,

Thank you for responding. This is the type of dialoge that needs to happen. I agree with you darn near 100%. I dont blame or accuse the entire Black race for the so called problems. There are just as many if not more Whites that can fall into that category of the six letter word.

I can tell you I have been a victim of Affirmative Action way too many times. I believe in help but when all the mechanisms are in place for the past 30 years and we still have complainers and saying its not fair. My QUESTION is what have you done for your self. It all starts at HOME. Again lets aks the teachers what the problems are in the effected neighborhoods. We dont need panels and boards and more special programs. What we need are parents and law abiding citizens.

No one in America are slaves now or have been well over 120 years. Slavery is a non issue to me that is history. Blame my great great great great grandpa for that. But if you do then blame yours for selling yours to the Spanish. Exactly,,,,,a different time. However all the current slavery and genicide is still happening on which continent.

There was no KKK presense in Ferguson but the New Black Panther Party was in action along with other non-white hate groups. Look at the support groups on the Hands up Coalition. One of the groups on that list is on an international Terrorist list. That is why all the Feds were in town. And arrested a couple of fella's wanting to bomb the Arch.

The world is based on survival of the fittest unfortunatey. How many times must I apologize for all the past worldly events. Home, Family, Education and Civil Morals.

Amen

a white woman

Dear REALIST,

When a person calls himself a realist, he should take care to verify his assertions before he makes them -- right? For instance, the belief that you have to pay twice as much for your kids' college as does your black peer. I don't believe that's true -- can you show me I'm mistaken?

Right now I believe there are people who make a lot of money by trying to get us to believe that and other distortions and downright lies. If a person limits himself to those sources of information, he could eventually become more like a dupe than a realist if he isn't careful.

I would probably prefer feeling unfairly treated to feeling I've been duped by those who seek to profit by my gullibility. But I'm glad those aren't my only choices.

Your comments imply that you believe all or most African-Americans are inherently lawless and violent.

I believe there is little or no inherent difference among races in this regard. Even though it was the white race who committed genocide against Native Americans, while calling them savages. And against "inferior" whites during WWII, against Muslims in Bosnia and against Kurds in Iraq, etc., etc., I could go on. It was the white race who viciously enslaved Africans and Native Americans in this country. Then there was/is the KKK....

The way I see it, this country has a situation that is in some ways like Northern Ireland or the Israeli Palestinian conflict, in that it has a long history and is very complex.

I ask you to try to take a more detached and comprehensive look at it, and not to allow those who have something to gain to dupe you.

Best wishes.

Carmen


REALIST

Laws are established so that our society can maintain the best for all to live. Life is a game. There are rules in every game. All other so-called minorities play by societies rules established in this country except one. And this one race has so many special rights and government protacols giving to them over the past 50 years and yet they still cannot conform to society.

It is time to standup and be accountable to your neighbor and yourself. Lets look at education now. ASK THE TEACHERS WHAT DO THEY SEE EVERY DAY. What they see is shameful. Drop outs, poor attendance, lack of respect to any thing constructive. When will we ever have a Black generation take complete charge of their children and show their children how to survive in modern times.

I grew up a poor white child. I experimented with the wrong side alot but my parents kept me under control. Thank God for that. Now I make $40,000.00 a year and obtained an associate degree. Now I have two daughters attending full time college. In which I have to pay twice as much for my kids college as does my Black peer.

Enough of the excuses please. This is still the land of opportunity. Why is it that we still have immigrants coming to this country with nothing but the clothes on their back and they quickly conform and become successful. But what do we see? Blacks attacking these people now. Robbing, stealing, and murdering.

MikkiHarris

Dear Jamala,

I am not bewildered by protesters in the streets lately - other than wondering why it didn't happen sooner. I am a white woman and I grew up in Peabody projects in the 50's and 60's. I've seen the differences in the treatment of people based upon the color of their skin - I still see it happening. I watched Dr. Norman Seay and others quietly protesting at Jefferson Bank and at the counter of the 1st floor restaurant at the old Stix, Baer, & Fuller. I have seen the redlining of black neighborhoods by banks. I've seen disproportionate criminal sentences on drug charges against blacks possessing crack over whites possessing like quantities of cocaine.

I am rooting for this segment of the civil rights movement - it thrills me to see young people demand their Rights and command respect. It takes a great deal of courage to tell truth to power and I support their efforts. The part that is difficult to watch is the yelling and screaming in the faces of the police by the protesters. I understand the frustration and empathize with the pain, but I keep remembering the supreme example of elegance and implacability of Dr. King. As I watched him on television, he appeared to be a man of peace, of personal confidence mixed with humility. It was such a striking difference from those angry cops with their dogs lurching toward the marchers and other cops with firehoses in hand. It was impossible - even for a young teenager like me - not to see the oppression that the marchers were suffering under. I thought then that America would see it too and things would change. But they didn't want to see it and things haven't changed enough.

While I hope the protests will end soon - I pray that the reason for the protests ends sooner. Black lives matter and it's incumbent on all of us to help these young black men and women learn and know they're valuable. It is equally as important for us to let police know that they need to respect people of color and cultures different from theirs. Law enforcement needs to find non-lethal ways to arrest or apprehend someone they believe has broken laws.

Jaded

Carmen your open mindedness & empathy is appreciated. We need that for each other in these tentative times.

a white woman

Dear Jamala,

I wouldn't say I'm bewildered about why people have been in the streets lately. I'm pretty sure it was a "last straw" kind of response for most people. My closest personal experience that compares to it is when I finally reached the "I-don't-care-what-happens-I'm-not-taking-it-anymore" stage in an abusive marriage. I have no difficulty believing that African-Americans and others (including women of all races) are frequently mistreated by the police (and other men), and have been for many generations.

What I am bewildered about is why so many of my (otherwise educated, sensible and decent) white friends don't seem to know this! Most of them don't really allow themselves to be bewildered -- finding one unsympathetic explanation or another satisfactory, and defending it to the point of silliness. And of course they were supportive of the police from day one.

I know that not all cops are bad and that not all black men are criminals, but unfortunately both groups have reason to fear each other, and that, I believe, is the crux of the problem.

I recommended "The Warmth of Other Suns" to my book club (women, most of whom have always lived in a protective bubble) -- before the Mike Brown tragedy happened. They have yet to put it on the list as far as I know, but I'll keep lobbying for it. It's one of the best books of any kind that I've ever read.

Anyway, I don't know what else I can do at this point, but I would like to be part of the solution somehow. If nothing else, just to try to counter some of those hateful tirades that I see on Facebook.

Wishing you courage,

Carmen

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